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Watch the (non-Muslim, never set foot in an Islamic country or China) libs blubber something about “well they must care about that China money more than Islam!!!”

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Yeah, I love how people from countries that spent decades massacring Muslims think that their regimes are the ones that care about Muslims rather than actual Muslim majority countries.

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Also, will praise Israel and condemn China for their treatment of Muslims in immediate, back to back statements.

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Yup, there’s no consistency there. It basically comes to countries we like vs countries we don’t like.

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The money is a good point, but I also think it’s more than that. There’s a level of pragmatism and philosophy of government, where these states feel beleaguered by western liberal democracies meddling in their internal affairs, so as they wouldn’t want China poking its nose into what they are doing to their own minorities or other issues considered to be domestic affairs, they wouldn’t do that to China especially not at the risk of having an enemy like China when friendship would be better. They wouldn’t mind China putting on a show for them, as they’d all do the same.

It would probably be a mistake to think governments of Muslim countries even care about Islam, democracy, or human rights. They don’t have a track record of that. Ruling classes are going to relate to each other better than they do to the classes they rule over. Never think that the approval of such governments equates to the approval of Muslims or Islam.

Also I’m sure racism and nationalism is a factor too. Muslims in one county could hardly care about Muslims in another country who don’t even look like them or speak the same language as them. Ironically, they may even look down on Uyghurs because they think they are Chinese or at least look a bit East Asian. That would make them care even less.

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Didn’t even take an hour lol.

Who should I trust more about reporting the treatment of Muslims? Western countries who have been antagonising Islam since the dawn of Abrahamic religions, who support Israel’s actual genocide of Muslims and are literally banning Islamic practices like Burkas in their own territories, or Islamic countries themselves? Seriously, you will say literally anything to discredit literally anyone who goes against your views on China. Do you know this particular Islamic group? Of course not. Yet you’re already accusing them of, one, accepting Chinese money, two, not caring about human rights, three, being racist, just be cause they said something good about China. Meanwhile, the West gets a free pass on all of these despite having a very clear track record of the latter two and clearly stand to benefit from smearing China as much as possible?

Finally, when every Muslim majority country agrees on the fact that China isn’t abusing Muslims, even though they have plenty of disagreements on way less significant things, maybe you should at least consider that they might be right? They all supposedly hate each other, but not one of them goes “fuck you all, I’m not going to be in this China coverup with you!” Speaking of, why don’t any of them support Israel by the same logic as you used to justify turn supporting China, who, again, are legitimately engaging in a genocide of Muslims?

It’s not a matter of their word against theirs. Western countries may as well not exist and it wouldn’t change the situation. What you’re saying about my position is not true, so I don’t know who you think you’re talking to here.

Your argument that everything is OK because the governments of Muslim countries approve is simply not valid or helpful to your cause. Muslim countries do not have trustworthy governments. As I said, don’t claim that they represent Muslims or Islam.

“Muslim countries do not have trustworthy governments”

See, now I quoted you exactly. You are racist and prejudiced against muslims and this is the proof.

Why would their governments being awful be a “prejudice against Muslims”? Also how does it relate to race in any way?

“The inferior muslims cannot even build a government that respects ‘human rights’”

This is what that sounds like.

I suggest you read about the governments of the 30 countries who took part in the delegation mentioned in the article. I wonder if you could tell me how many of those 30 governments do not criminalize homosexuality.

Oh no, the homosexuality card has been played! I have been defeated! You have proven the “inferiority” of muslims to me!

You just want to paint the muslims as “inferior” again.

So you approve of the death penalty for homosexuality? You attacked me for saying these governments are oppressive, and I have not said anything negative about Muslims themselves. If I am wrong and these are not oppressive governments, then you can provide evidence.

Pretty much all Muslims live under oppressive governments, and you can simply ask them yourself about it. You certainly never asked me. I don’t get how you feel like you have the authority in your ivory tower in Europe to decree everything for Muslims like we’re your personal belongings. Then you have the gall to talk about savior complex and superiority complex.

Racist and prejudiced against ALL muslims? Seriously?

What

You are. Read your comment again, it is dripping with prejudices, racism and white savior syndrome.

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I don’t know who you think you’re talking to

How can you not see it?

“No muslim country has ever had a functioning government”

“Muslim countries do not care about human rights”

“Muslims are racist and nationalistic”

These are made up quotes.

I did not exactly quote you

I can tell 😂

Now you can play a puzzle: which of those sentences matches which sentence in your anti-muslim comment?

Are you even Muslim? Where do you live now

I am not muslim. I live in europe. This does not prevent me from calling you out on attacks against people who are marginalized in my country.

OK you have a lot to learn, but stick with me and I will teach you.

What do yo want to teach me? Oppressing other religions? No thanks.

It’s impossible to imagine, what twisted sort of logic could lead to this thought

Playing dumb will not help you. You and I both know what this is about.

So can you show how I have “oppressed other religions”? I really can’t understand this part. Like, you know what we’re talking about, right? Here I am, opposing the oppression of Muslims in Xinjiang, and what are you doing exactly?

You further the oppression of muslims by painting them as too stupid to make a functioning government. By making such statements, it is clear you do not oppose oppression.

I’m sorry have you seen these governments? I feel like you’re just living in fantasy land and not talking about real things. You are thoroughly confused if you think that my negative opinion about bad governments who oppress their own citizens first and foremost, is somehow “not opposing oppression”

White savior syndrome again.

“They cannot govern themselves. I, the white person must save them.”

Only white countries have dropped nukes on civillians.

Only white countries oppress people on the other side of the planet.

I don’t understand what you’re on about. You seem obsessed with race, and you called me racist only based on your baseless assumption of what you think my race is, so you use race as an excuse to attack other people. That is really wrong

I dont know the word for when someone is furthering the oppression of a religious group, so I called it racism. Because in the end, it is thinly veiled racism. All muslim countries are non-white, right?

Read this, it will help much more than my comments: https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/

Thanks but it doesn’t contain any information about what’s really happening in Xinjiang it’s just stretching implications based on motives people might have

The accusations are all made up by a christian who wants to kill all chinese. The accusations are all debunked, so, innocent until proven guilty.

All muslim countries are non-white, right?

Is morning star a leftist news media?

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